What Obama Thought of Tony Abbott.

Ben Rhodes (Pod Save The World) is our podcast guest.

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SPECIAL GUEST: BEN RHODES

In uncertain times, it’s good to know that the people who used to run the world are as thoughtful and as hopeful as ever. 

Former deputy National Security Advisor to Obama, Ben Rhodes (also Pod Save The World) tells us a great anecdote about how Obama became frustrated with Tony Abbott when seeking global consensus on climate change.

“It's no secret Obama …You know, Tony Abbott was far from his favourite leader to begin with.” - Ben Rhodes

Lewis and I also chat to him about his thoughts on COVID19’s threat to democracy around the world, how populations can still protest during lockdown and the climate crisis.

Foreign policy politics can seem tricky to navigate and understand, but Ben frames everything in a refreshingly normal way, that brings some clarity to the madness.

We’re thrilled have him on A Rational Fear.

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NEXT WEEK: MAP OF TASSIE SPECIAL

Two great comedians from Tasmania will be telling us what we should be scared of from the Apple Isle. Anthony Morgan, Anna Kidd, as well as stand up from Melbourne comedian, Yianni Agisilaou.

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Dan Ilic
Host, A Rational Fear.